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‘Alternative’ Energy Another Big Lie

November 18, 2013

Another of President Barack Obama’s big lies in his plan to destroy the coal industry involves “alternative energy.” It is an unmixed blessing, the president assures us....

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Pathguy

Nov-18-13 6:28 AM

Dear News Register: What color is the sun on your planet..? Is nutting sacred??

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wvhoopie

Nov-18-13 6:38 AM

Germany has closed one third of their nuclear plants b/c they are now using solar energy. Just b/c you can't figure this out is a reason to stop. The Germans are light years ahead of us in renewable energy. We have to get educated, catch up and quit saying we are too stupid to do it!

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LogHog

Nov-18-13 7:22 AM

China is still growing it's economy at a much faster rate than the US. China uses cheap energy along with lower wages. Their cheap energy is coal and oil... their goals are to make money.. if so solar is so great.. Why doesn't China embrace it?

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WVUGEO

Nov-18-13 8:17 AM

wvhoopie has part of it right about Germany. But, they are using environmental energy in much more creative ways than you might imagine. The issue of power transmission is immensely complex; but, the limitations imposed by the physics of long-distance transmission of electricity, coupled with the limitations imposed by the most often diffuse and intermittent nature of environmental energy do limit it's utility as a contributor to the grid. One way around that is to use environmental energy to create chemical energy. For one instance, right now, in Germany, the car maker Audi is using wind-generated electricity to convert Carbon Dioxide, along with Hydrogen from water, into substitute natural gas Methane.

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WVUGEO

Nov-18-13 8:29 AM

Further: Totally unknown to most information-deprived residents of US Coal Country, there is a global organization in place, to which several of our USDOE's national laboratories belong and contribute, dedicated to the development of what is known as "artificial photosynthesis", wherein sunlight is used to power the synthesis of hydrocarbons from Carbon Dioxide, with the needed Hydrogen extracted by photolysis from Water. The USDOE's Argonne National Lab and the Pennsylvania State University, among others, have applied for US and international patents on such light-driven, CO2-consuming technology for the synthesis of substitute natural gas Methane.

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TrollSlayer

Nov-18-13 8:49 AM

wvhoopie “Germany has closed one third of their nuclear plants b/c they are now using solar energy.”? LOL wvhoopie fantasies are so funny.

From Wikipedia “Germany uses predominantly fossil fuels as an energy source, followed by nuclear power, biomass (wood and biofuels), wind, hydro and solar. Germany intends to eliminate current use of nuclear power by 2022. Many plants have already been closed prematurely. It is presumed that fossil fuels, wind power, solar power, biofuels, energy imports from France and energy conservation will be enough to replace the existing capacity from nuclear power. Germany has 6 of Europe's 10 biggest polluting plants. Germany produces more carbon dioxide to produce the same amount of energy than France, Canada, Japan or Korea.”

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WVEXPAT

Nov-18-13 8:58 AM

From the NY Times Sept 18th 2013, "Germany’s Effort at Clean Energy Proves Complex"

"German families are being hit by rapidly increasing electricity rates, to the point where growing numbers of them can no longer afford to pay the bill. Businesses are more and more worried that their energy costs will put them at a disadvantage to competitors in nations with lower energy costs, and some energy-intensive industries have begun to shun the country because they fear steeper costs ahead."

Yeah, let's do that!!

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WVEXPAT

Nov-18-13 9:05 AM

More from the NY Times, "Newly constructed offshore wind farms churn unconnected to an energy grid still in need of expansion. And despite all the costs, carbon emissions actually rose last year as reserve coal-burning plants were fired up to close gaps in energy supplies."

"The cost of the plan is expected to be about $735 billion". "With consumers having to pay about $270 each in surcharges this year to subsidize new operators of renewable power, the hardest hit are low-wage earners, retirees and people on welfare, Mr. Gärtner said. Government subsidies for the plan amounted to $22.7 billion in 2012 and could reach $40.5 billion by 2020, according to John Musk, a power analyst at RBC Capital Markets."

$735 Billion!! Germany has a population of 82 million, the US would have to spend approx $2.7 Trillion of taxpayer (or borrowed) money to duplicate that "success"!

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caltransplant

Nov-18-13 10:09 AM

And the pot continues to call the kettle black (no pun intended). This paper is a hoot!

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caltransplant

Nov-18-13 10:12 AM

Pathguy, I like that! Very good. This paper is poor, but it's better than Nutting! lol

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TrollSlayer

Nov-18-13 11:04 AM

cal and Path, very funny. Vapid and plagiarized from liberal supergenius Chokingsmoker, but funny. Especially he vapid and plagiarized part. LOL

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BigMike

Nov-18-13 1:13 PM

WVHOOPIE: German retail electricity prices are 53% higher due to renewable surcharges.

New power plants under construction in Germany through 2020 total 41 GW. Fully 40% (16.5 GW) are coal or lignite. Gas accounts for more than 27% (11.2 GW) and wind has most of the remaining new generation at 20% (8.3 GW). Pumped storage fills out the plant mix at just over 3 GW (7%). Only those wind plants now under construction will be completed and no new wind plants are even in the planning stage. This generation expansion plan represents a triumph of mathematics over ideology. (Master Resource)

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wonderwhy

Nov-18-13 1:27 PM

Ask CONSOL

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BigMike

Nov-18-13 1:40 PM

Solar and wind power has its place, but it is costly, requires a means of storing the energy it produces (more cost). Until/if the costs for generation and storage can be reduced over-reliance on them will be an economic nightmare for electricity users. We are already seeing it in rising electricity prices. Currently every megawatt that wind and solar can't produce must be offset by coal, gas or nuclear generation. Each megawatt of load must be supplied by a megawatt of generation. Without them, if the wind isn't blowing and the sun ain't shining and the amount of storage is inadequate your lights are going to go out.

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BigMike

Nov-18-13 2:00 PM

Read: Der Spiegel Online 09/04/2013 "Germany's Energy Poverty: How Electricity Became a Luxury Good"

"For society as a whole, the costs have reached levels comparable only to the euro-zone bailouts. This year, German consumers will be forced to pay €20 billion ($26 billion) for electricity from solar, wind and biogas plants -- electricity with a market price of just over €3 billion. Even the figure of €20 billion is disputable if you include all the unintended costs and collateral damage associated with the project. Solar panels and wind turbines at times generate huge amounts of electricity, and sometimes none at all. Depending on the weather and the time of day, the country can face absurd states of energy surplus or deficit."

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TrollSlayer

Nov-18-13 2:36 PM

Do you loony greenies realize you can buy solar panels and windmills right now? Just buy them, install them, get off the cheap coal-fired power grid, and then come back and tell us all about how little you're paying and how great it is.

Walk the talk instead of spewing green nonsense, loons. LOL

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BigMike

Nov-18-13 4:12 PM

Dear Pathguy: What color is the sun on your planet? Here on Earth it varies from white hot at noon, gradually changing to yellow, then orange in the late afternoon (called sundown on our planet).

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oldmansvan

Nov-19-13 9:48 AM

Righties, do you think the oil, gas, and coal producers might oppose solar and wind power because they can't charge you for the sun shine or the wind blowing? I know this is tough for you koke klowns. Try to deal!!!

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BigMike

Nov-19-13 10:31 AM

oldmansvan, That's exactly what it is. They've done it before. Remember the 100 MPG carburetor and how the Koch brothers and the Big Three kept it off the market. And all those new electric cars GM hid out in the desert because they were too good. I just saw an add on a website the other day selling information on making your own free electricity. Bet, the Koch brothers will crush these guys..

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TrollSlayer

Nov-19-13 10:38 AM

oldman, the oil, gas, and coal companies don’t have to do any opposing today because it’s cloudy and there’s no wind. Which makes me wonder how you’re powering that computer you’re babbling your conspiracy theories on. You wouldn’t happen to be one of those closet coal-fired-electricity-using libs, would you?

Now get out there and blow some of your hot air onto your windmill instead of being a hypocrite. LOL

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