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Curbing Growth In Government

September 23, 2013

Liberal activists in West Virginia must be hoping no one will notice the distracting but unsupportable language they use in their attacks on an effort to begin the necessary shrinking of our......

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thetruthforonce

Sep-23-13 1:57 AM

Mike Myer's message to the unfortunate poor: "Let them eat Twinkies."

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TrollSlayer

Sep-23-13 2:47 AM

With a RECORD 48 MILLION Americans surviving on Obama Food Stamps you're going to need more Twinkies, truthless.

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LogHog

Sep-23-13 6:27 AM

All one has to do is look at the recent statements of the president's, "I am not a crook moment" "We are not some banana republic that cannot pay it's bills" he was talking about the raising of the debt limit. Well, Mr. President. Yes, you are in charge of the largest banana republic in history. Borrowing more money to pay interest on other borrowed money that you could not pay is not paying your bills. It is the same as the lady that has eight credit cards up to the max and cannot pay them. she gets two more and borrows on them at high interest rate to pay the minimum on the others, "paying her bills", then charges the two "new" debt cards to the limit. Finally she can get no more credit. But, but the Govt. isn't like that? Well, no. It's worse. The Govt. has the Federal Reserve Bank in it's pocket. QE to infinity is now a reality. Yes, the Federal Govt. will raise it' debt limit. Not to pay it's bills. But because it cannot pay it's bills.

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dyingov

Sep-23-13 7:14 AM

As food stamps are part of the agriculture spending will the hand-outs to the rich-n-famous be taking a cut, as well? If so count me in on cutting the food stamp program, if not.....This just in; the crop damage insurance and payments to the "poor' farmers will be increased in 2014!

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dyingov

Sep-23-13 7:19 AM

As a result, the study found, many farmers made more money from insurance payouts during the drought than they would have from healthy crops.

“It’s good insurance and a good safety net,” Dr. Babcock said. “The question is, is there any justification for taxpayers to subsidize the costs?”

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dyingov

Sep-23-13 7:20 AM

The result, he said, is that crop insurance has become more of a farm income support program than a system that protects farmers in times of disasters like the 2012 drought.

Taxpayers pay about 62 percent of the insurance premiums. The policies are sold by 15 private insurance companies, which receive about $1.3 billion annually in total from the government. The government also backs the companies against losses.

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daWraith

Sep-23-13 7:54 AM

Dyingov, just like the UCA (Unaffordable Care ACT)!

Truth4dunce, it all happened on Barry El Benghazi's watch.

56 months of terrorism of the American Economy.

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flatlander

Sep-23-13 8:13 AM

I worked for Ogden Corp. in the early 90s. I'm now wondering if the pitiful wage I was paid made me eligible for food stamps.

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wvhoopie

Sep-23-13 8:21 AM

Look at any legislators multitude of trips taken on the taxpayers and you will see the stipend they receive for food while they travel. Daily per diems in excess of $75 per day for food alone, yet these same people yell and moan at a single mom with two kids receiving $4.00 per day for food for her family. Legislators pound their chests stating that those who receive SNAP are lazy good for nothing leeches, then they turn around and charge us $75 per day for their food.....

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OLearySW

Sep-23-13 10:05 AM

Where do I even begin?

1st - Here's a "liberal" acknowledging the Recovery Act's increase in SNAP *******tinyurl****/os6joh2

2nd - The 4 million lifted out of poverty is from the Census Bureau's alternative poverty measures. To understand how it works, you need a familiarity with arithmetic, but they did the math for you here *******tinyurl****/kxqwn5e

3rd - The "fuzzy math" about SNAP's economic impact can be viewed here *******tinyurl****/7gsojs2. Note that the impact is based on forecast model from Moody's Analytics, and their Chief Economist Mark Zandi. You can check his credentials here *******tinyurl****/lmwfvm9 or you can ask John McCain about him, since he helped advise his campaign *******tinyurl****/lgkuo63.

In short, next time, do some research.

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WVEXPAT

Sep-23-13 10:38 AM

Numbers from SNAP Monthly Data show that average monthly benefit per household on food stamps (SNAP) is $275/month. The cuts being asked for are 5% or $13.75 or $0.46/day. Clearly a tragic situation w/ such huge numbers receiving assistance, but no grandma's or children will go hungry as a result.

Agreed w/ dying's analysis! There is huge amount of money going to Big Agra for insurance, ethanol etc. This needs to be stopped.

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oldsteelmaker

Sep-23-13 10:39 AM

It's fascinating. Old George was responsible for the downturn in 2001, even though the problems happened under Bubba. 9/11 was his fault, even though one of the main problems was Gorelic's wall between domestic and overseas intelligence. The mortgage collapse was his fault, even though his people tried several times to rein in Fannie and Freddie, and Dodd and Frank fought that tooth and nail.

But NOTHING is obie's fault. Doesn't matter that he's been in office for almost five years, and Pelosi and Reid had Congress two years before that. Doesn't matter that he had veto-proof control of the entire government for almost two years. Doesn't matter that he controls all Federal agencies.

NOTHING is working. But if we point that out, we are racists.

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oldsteelmaker

Sep-23-13 10:40 AM

What growth is happening is in spite of obie, not because of him. And you fools. still parrot the bleep he puts out.

I don't mind it hurting you. It's what it does to the rest of us that drives me up a wall.

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OLearySW

Sep-23-13 10:49 AM

WVEXPAT, The bulk of the $40 billion in cuts to SNAP come from restricting eligibility, not from reducing the benefit amount.

3.8 million would lose their SNAP benefits altogether.

Children in families who lose their SNAP benefit also lose their eligibility for free and reduced school lunch.

I'd link you a source, but apparently that is frowned upon.

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oldsteelmaker

Sep-23-13 11:11 AM

As for Big Food, the question is where to spend the money. If you look at the annual reports, ADM and Cargill don't have big margins. So if you kill the subsidies, the predictable result is more expensive Cheerios. We already have one dumb drain on food stores, ethanol, that the Feds are trying to increase even though it drives up food prices.

So where do you want the bill to be paid? More tax or more to Kroger?

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oldsteelmaker

Sep-23-13 11:19 AM

SW, historically, economic bad times caused a big upswing in startup businesses. People know how to do stuff, and the need to eat is a powerful incentive to take whatever skills you have and try to make a buck.

Not this time. Thanks to big mounds of new regulations, and lots of handout programs, the rate of startup formation is at one of the lowest points since they started keeping records.

One of the founders of Home Depot said if they had the rules then they have now, Home Depot would not exist.

I guess this is part of that "laser-like focus" obie has brought to job creation every year since he was elected. I notice he doesn't use that phrase any more...

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oldsteelmaker

Sep-23-13 11:31 AM

You know, our country got along okay for over 200 years without most of these programs. We didn't have mountains of dead bodies from famines or political executions. In fact, for most of the last 200 years we were a magnet for people trying to better their lives, and in general they did do better here than where they came from.

But now, it seems life in America is so terrible we have to subsidize almost everyone. And of course it all has to come from some benevolent government agency. Never mind we can look at even well-run places like France, Spain, Italy, Great Britain, or the like, and see overloaded social programs that do NOT provide the standard of living we seem to expect.

Yet we are told we should copy them. WHY?

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oldsteelmaker

Sep-23-13 11:32 AM

Because it gives more power to the ruling class. And that's not the Koch brothers, despite what some here claim. It's the Washington elites, and their supporters. The rest of us exist to supply two things for them: tax money and votes.

This country was built on the concept that the individual mattered. The current gang are doing their best to destroy that.

One of obie's political mentors, Bill Ayres, was once quoted that he wanted the Chinese and North Koreans running the country. When asked if that wouldn't end up killing several million, like it did in their own lands, he had no problem with that. The elite have no problem with YOU suffering to promote their ideas. Just not them.

And this is one of obie's primary mentors. Makes you wonder...

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WVEXPAT

Sep-23-13 12:14 PM

SW, You are correct in part about the eligibility requirements. From the Huffington Post, "WASHINGTON -- Lazy surfer dudes wouldn't be able to keep their food stamps under a Republican bill the House of Representatives will consider Thursday, but it's not just beach bums who'd be swept up in the wave of proposed new restrictions.

The GOP wants to change the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program so that more recipients must be working or in training to qualify for food stamps. "Newscasts tell stories of young surfers who aren’t working, but cash their food stamps in for lobster,"

There will also be an across the board component as a provision from the Stimulus expires, but since the recovery has gone so well that's not really needed anymore. Right?

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WVEXPAT

Sep-23-13 12:20 PM

SW, Yes the NR filters prohibit links! Much easier to just cite relevant search terms.

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dyingov

Sep-23-13 1:01 PM

old, ADM 223 million in profits for the second quarter and Cargill 483 million for the same time period! So keep giving them tax payer money because profits are not "high" enough........

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OLearySW

Sep-23-13 1:23 PM

WVEXPAT,

You won't find me claiming the recovery has gone so well.

"Lazy surfer dudes"?

I guess we'll just hope no one notices "distracting but unsupportable language," right?

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WVEXPAT

Sep-23-13 4:44 PM

Yeah, maybe the Huffington Post is not the best source for concise language, but their rather left leaning so I like to source them.

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oldsteelmaker

Sep-23-13 7:58 PM

old, ADM 223 million in profits for the second quarter and Cargill 483 million for the same time period! So keep giving them tax payer money because profits are not "high" enough........

Dyin, how much did ADM sell to get that profit? They reported sales of $22.5 billion. To put it on your level, for every hundred in sales they put 90 CENTS in their pocket.

0.9% profit. Man, that's obscene.

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oldsteelmaker

Sep-23-13 8:07 PM

Dyin, Now Cargill, they are more the pillaging looter you envision. Did you bother to find out what their margin was? Qarterly sales for that 483 million was a mere 35.4 billion. A walloping 1.22%.

Yes, no doubt about it, they are clearly gouging the American public. How dare they, marking up our food 1.22%? Why can't they be more like the Federal Government, that takes a third of what we make, and mostly gives us nothing.

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