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In a Way, Zimmerman Very Guilty

July 21, 2013

A gun changes everything. Perhaps that’s the lesson many Americans ought to take from the tragic death of Trayvon Martin. It’s something we really need to think abou....

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TrollSlayer

Jul-21-13 1:03 AM

Dead wrong, Mike. Your headline article points out the fact that Steubenville is being overrun by criminals. It’s time to take a stand. Zimmerman is a hero. He did his community a service by taking out a punk who chose to violently attack a resident, a stranger, without cause. If Zimmerman hadn’t been carrying a gun, how many times would Martin have bashed his skull into the sidewalk before Zimmerman would have been the fatality instead of Martin? If it were YOU, would you be willing to hold your fire and bet your life he would stop bashing your skull into the sidewalk before you were dead?

And the court agrees with ME. Zimmerman broke no laws. The 911 call proves that to Zimmerman, Martin’s “creepy-ass cracker,” race was not a consideration EXCEPT to Martin, so “civil rights” does NOT apply here.

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TrollSlayer

Jul-21-13 1:04 AM

And you hope Zimmerman loses a civil rights lawsuit for defending himself against a potentially lethal attack just because he followed a stranger in his OWN neighborhood? That's the most ridiculous thing you’ve EVER published.

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Gooseman

Jul-21-13 8:16 AM

Excellent points Mr. Myer.

Zimmerman will be found liable in a civil suit and he should pay dearly with his possessions and future for denying the Martin family of their child.

Im not against conceal carry permits. But how did Zimmerman, who was accused of several violent acts in the past, once against law enforcement, how did Zimmerman get a permit?

I cant say that the jury used racism in their decision. But they used poor judgement as Zimmerman lied about his encounter with Martin. Why do you think he couldnt take the stand and defend himself? With Martin on top of him, he reached behind his back to get his gun? LIE! So when two people have a disagreement, make sure that there are no witnesses and you can shoot someone, and claim self-defense. Zimmerman got away with it and jury fell for it.

If Martin had a concealed carry permit and shot Zimmerman because he felt threatened by Zimmerman following him, do you think the court would have ruled in the same manner....I doub

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Gooseman

Jul-21-13 8:17 AM

If Martin had a concealed carry permit and shot Zimmerman because he felt threatened by Zimmerman following him, do you think the court would have ruled in the same manner....I doubt it.

And there would have been evidence Zimmerman was stalking Martin.

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Gooseman

Jul-21-13 8:27 AM

No, this is one of many most rediculous posts ThrillSlober has posted.

"It’s time to take a stand. Zimmerman is a hero. He did his community a service by taking out a punk who chose to violently attack a resident, a stranger, without cause."

But just dont take the stand in a court of law to defend yourself after you kill another human. And Zimmermans a hero? He attacked without cause? Hey stewpid, he was followed and approached by a stranger. Take off your myopic lens of bizarreness you sound so foolish. And if Zimmerman didnt have a gun, he wouldnt have been so fool hearty brave and would have left his suspicions of Martin to the police, like he was asked to do and Martin would be alive. So stewpid, Martin wouldnt have been trying to protect himself from a stranger who was stalking him. Do I need to explain everything to you all the time? Guess so.

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dyingov

Jul-21-13 8:34 AM

Florida was tired of the innocent people being victims of violent crime, the results:

"Since 1987, when Florida enacted a favorable CCW law, its homicide rate has dropped 22%, even while the national rate has risen 15%."

As of October 1, 2005, Florida became a "Stand-your-ground" state. Florida law establishes that law-abiding residents and visitors may legally presume the threat of bodily harm or death from anyone who breaks into a residence or occupied vehicle and may use defensive force, including deadly force, against the intruder. This law also applies in any other place where a person “has a right to be”. That person has “no duty to retreat” if attacked and may “meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony".

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dyingov

Jul-21-13 8:35 AM

A person who uses force within the parameters of the law is immune from criminal prosecution or civil action and cannot be arrested unless a law enforcement agency determines there is probable cause that the force used was unlawful. If a civil action is brought and the court finds the defendant to be immune under the law, the defendant will be awarded all costs of defense.

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dyingov

Jul-21-13 8:57 AM

When OJ Simpson was found "not guilty" the system worked! Still waiting for the killer of those two white peeps to be arrested.....

Is it a coincidence that inner city populations have a 7x higher rate of crime than the burbs of a city? More cops in the city catching peeps? Maybe the peeps in the burbs are just getting away with more criminal activity!

The US does have the distinction of the most crime riddled industrial country in the world. I wonder why those Middle Eastern countries are not interested in democracy?

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TrollSlayer

Jul-21-13 9:03 AM

Gooseman “But how did Zimmerman, who was ACCUSED of several violent acts in the past blah blah blah”

Typical liberal loon. An ACCUSATION is a crime to them; they're incapable of understanding the difference. Any “jury of my peers” that contains even one liberal like Goosebrain is too “stewpid” be considered my peers. I’d be better off being tried by a flock of sheep.

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TrollSlayer

Jul-21-13 9:09 AM

Goosebarrister “Why do you think he couldnt take the stand and defend himself?”

Simple, Goosy. He didn’t HAVE to. Not legally, and also because his defense attorneys correctly ADVISED him there was NO up side to taking the stand. They knew he had a not guilty verdict in the bag anyway, as there was NO substantial evidence against him and TONS of evidence supporting his version of the event.

Glad you’re not an attorney, Goosepettifogger. Your “stewpidity” would put a lot of innocent people behind bars. LOL

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TrollSlayer

Jul-21-13 9:10 AM

Goosegenius “No, this is one of many most rediculous posts ThrillSlober has posted.”

“Rediculous”? Too ridiculous. LOL You just can’t make this stuff up, folks. Keep 'em coming, Goosy. LOL

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TrollSlayer

Jul-21-13 9:14 AM

Goosegenius “He attacked without cause? Hey stewpid, he was followed and approached by a stranger.”

So you think it’s ok to attack anyone who follows and approaches you? I hope nobody tries to ask you for directions. Keep ‘em coming, Wild West Goose. LOL

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TrollSlayer

Jul-21-13 9:17 AM

GooseFreud “And if Zimmerman didnt have a gun, he wouldnt have been so fool hearty brave”

I suppose that applies to everyone who legally carries a firearm, eh Goosy? They’re all just “fool hearty brave” and ready to pull that trigger on anyone who just approaches them. No wonder you loons are so afraid of guns. LOL

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TrollSlayer

Jul-21-13 9:21 AM

Gooseprodigy “So stewpid, Martin wouldnt have been trying to protect himself from a stranger who was stalking him.”

No, fool. Martin was trying to protect himself from someone who was BASHING HIS HEAD REPEATEDLY AGAINST THE SIDEWALK. Didn’t you see the photos of Zimmerman’s bloody head? You think he broke that nose himself? Maybe you’re watching too much MSNBCartoonNetwork and not enough Fox. LOL

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TrollSlayer

Jul-21-13 9:22 AM

Goosewizard “Do I need to explain everything to you all the time? Guess so.”

Yeah, Goosy. Keep explaining to everyone how “rediculous” I am. Too, too funny.

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oldmansvan

Jul-21-13 9:56 AM

Troll, Zimmerman claimed his head was slammed on the concrete and yet he had only two small scratches on his head. Zimmerman was proven in court to be lying about everything. That's not an innocent person.

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TrollSlayer

Jul-21-13 10:02 AM

oldman, go outside and slam your head on the pavement hard enough to make the blood run down both sides of your neck, and then come back and tell us how that wasn't a serious injury.

Oh, never mind, from your idiotic posts we can tell you already did. LOL

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CTMountaineer

Jul-21-13 12:05 PM

Zimmerman was not guilty of anything. He was defending himself. As a neighborhood watch volunteer in a private community he had a responsibility to determine who was on the private property he was protecting and why they were there. You can't depend on the police to do it. They take 20 minutes to get to a lot of calls.

Trayvon's death is tragic, and there are other questions people should be asking rather than blaming it on the gun someone used to defend himself, Mr. Meyer. Where is all the black outrage over the thousands of white victims of black violence every year? Just why is it whites are leary of being around young black men? Could it be they are more likely to be acting out in a criminal way?

If our President could have been Trayvon 35 years ago, would he have responded with violence when questioned about his purpose for being there, beating the guard's head against the concrete?

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wonderwhy

Jul-21-13 12:42 PM

I agree Mr Myers.

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TrollSlayer

Jul-21-13 2:26 PM

Gooseman “Excellent points Mr. Myer.”

wonderwhy “I agree Mr Myers.”

Wow, that’s a first. “Mr. Myers.” LOL What do you loons usually call this editor? Right-wing-extremist-teapublican-low-hanging-fruit-extremist-domestic-terrorist-extremist-hair-on-fire-extreme-extremist...

Your tantrums are so much more entertaining than your pseudo-respectful su cking up... LOL

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oldsteelmaker

Jul-21-13 2:35 PM

Birdbrain, No Zimmerman will not be found liable. Under Florida law he did what he was allowed to do. The report on Martin was he had no defensive wounds, only damage to his knuckles consistant with punches to flesh. Martin had numberous defensive wounds, including bruises cuta and abrasions consistant with being beaten. To dumb it down to your level, Martin was hitting, Zimmerman was being hit. Martin was bigger and in better shape than Zimmerman. If the cops had made it there before Zimmerman gave up and fired, Martin would be doing five to fifteen for aggravated assault.

There's an old statement that incitement to riot is no justification to riot. It doesn't matter what Zimmerman did, Martin clearly made the attack, which makes him liable. Under Florida law, and in most states, you are allowed to respond with whatever force you think necessary to save yourself.

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Thebudman

Jul-21-13 7:28 PM

NO Mike. Zimmerman had every right to be walking in his own neighborhood. He had a legal right to be walking outside his home.

Martin, on the other hand, had the right to continue walking to his Father's girlfriends home. Go inside and lock the door. Instead, he is guilty of turning around and provoking the attack, he threw the first punch.

He provoked the use of deadly force against himself when he punched George and continued to pummel him and his head against the sidewalk.

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littlefox

Jul-21-13 11:37 PM

Mike, I can only wonder if you wrote this under duress. You can't possibly be this clueless.

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CherokeeProud

Jul-22-13 1:02 AM

What a piece of garbage for a story! George Zimmerman was found innocent by a jury of his peers, now it's time to drop it. He will not be charged with a civil matter, no way, no how. If you want to talk about something Mike, how about talking about Obozo, Jackson, and Sharpton who keep stirring it up with their racist remarks? They are causing the protests and riots. Where was the riots when OJ was set free? How about the Blacks killing black kids in Chicago and they are doing absolutely nothing. Try a different job like running a column on cooking or another subject which you know something about, as you know nothing on this one. He (Zimmerman)was getting his head bet in and he has the right to protect himself, no matter whom was doing it. End of story!!!

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CTMountaineer

Jul-22-13 1:42 AM

The fact is, violent crime is far less in communities where lawful citizens can carry weapons without government harassment.

The Peoples Republic of Chicago has the strictest gun laws in the Nation. Only criminals have guns there, and they have one of the highest violent crime rates in the country.

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